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Defining Moments |
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Save the family? |
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Take the radar station? |
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Kill the prisoner |
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Disobeying orders |
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The sniper |
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Principal Themes |
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Consequentalist calculations |
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Character and Virtue |
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Courage |
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Compassion |
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Duty |
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Redemption |
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Appendix: The Cast of Characters |
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Save the family? |
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What to do about the dying soldier? |
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Take the bunker? |
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Kill the prisoner? |
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Play 51:40 |
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—saving the little girl . .
Chaos—Caparzo—“the decent thing” |
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To save the trapped family? To take the girl? To give the girl to the soldiers? |
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CarpazoL “She reminds me of my niece. The decent thing is to take her down the
road to the next town.” Reply: “ We’re not here to do the decent thing.” |
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When should we be compassionate? |
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Play 56:45. |
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Capt. Miller: “That’s why we can’t take
children”—pointing to dead soldier. |
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Compassionate, humanitarian gesture led to death
of soldier. |
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Should they have tried to help the family? |
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Play 1:24:20 (Chapter 12) |
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Take out the machine gun nest? This isn’t our mission. Unnecessary risk? |
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Balancing considerations |
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What will directly help the mission? |
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What we help other Allied soldiers who come this
way? |
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Play 1:33:20 |
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Upham:
“Are you going to let them kill him? Sir, it’s not right.” |
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An added twist with this decision—we later see
that the freed soldier returns to fight against them again |
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Play: 1:40:10 |
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Miller:
“I’ve changed some. My wife
might not recognize me.... But if
it earns me the right to get back to my wife…Every man I kill, the farther
away from home I feel.” |
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What would you do? |
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Reiben threatens to walk away from the mission |
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The cost of taking the radar station had been
high. Medic Wade had been killed. |
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When do you fire on your own fellow soldier? |
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Helicopter pilot at Mi Lai. |
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Aristotle: |
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The clever man knows the best means to any end; |
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The wise man knows what ends are worth striving
for. |
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“Very self-reliant, a lot of self-confidence,
but easygoing. A lot of common
sense, too.” |
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Cpt. Steve Kruger,
quoted in Making
the Corp, p. 271 |
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General Krulak: |
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“How do you impart to a 19 year old the
intelligence, the tactical skills, the decision making ability--both
tactical and moral--to know when to fire and when to protect? When to employ supporting arms in an
urban slum and when not to?” |
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Early scene: Sniper kissing his crucifix,
invoking God to be at his side |
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He is indeed “playing God” |
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The sniper’s bullet usually arrives unannounced. |
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Are there any moral issues associated with being
a sniper as opposed to being a regular combat soldier? |
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Consequentialist: |
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Group egoism |
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Deontological: |
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Duty |
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Many of the decisions made in combat are made on
the basis of consequences, weighing the costs and benefits of various
alternatives. |
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Play: 0:43:00 |
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“Explain the math of this to me—risking the
eight of us for one life” |
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1:16:00
“…22 guys dead protecting life of one general because of metal
plates on plane.” |
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1:38:50
“…little Jimmy’s life is more important than two of our guys.” |
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1:05:00 Ranger says, “I sure can understand what
you’re doing. I’ve got a couple of
brothers myself.” |
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Play 1:05:45 |
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Church scene. Recalling crazy guys like Vecchio. “When one of your men is killed, you tell yourself it
happened to save the life of 3, 19, maybe a hundred others….We’ve lost 94
men,,,I’ve saved the lives of maybe 10 times that. That’s how simple it is…. Sometimes the
mission is the man…. This Ryan
better be worth it—he better go home and cure some disease or invent |
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Play 1:05:45 |
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Church scene. Recalling crazy guys like Vecchio. “When one of your men is killed, you tell yourself it
happened to save the life of 3, 19, maybe a hundred others….We’ve lost 94
men,,,I’ve saved the lives of maybe 10 times that. That’s how simple it is…. Sometimes the
mission is the man…. This Ryan
better be worth it—he better go home and cure some disease or invent a
longer-lasting light bulb or something.” |
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Morality is about producing good consequences,
not having good intentions |
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We should do whatever will bring the most
benefit (i.e., intrinsic value) to all of humanity. |
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Bentham believed that we should try to increase
the overall amount of pleasure in the world. |
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Definition: The enjoyable feeling we experience
when a state of deprivation is replaced by fulfillment. |
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Advantages |
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Easy to quantify |
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Short duration |
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Bodily |
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Criticisms |
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Came to be known as “the pig’s philosophy” |
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Ignores higher values |
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Could justify living on a pleasure machine |
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Bentham’s godson |
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Believed that happiness, not pleasure, should be
the standard of utility. |
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Advantages |
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A higher standard, more specific to humans |
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About realization of goals |
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Disadvantages |
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More difficult to measure |
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G. E. Moore suggested that we should strive to
maximize ideal values such as freedom, knowledge, justice, and beauty. |
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Math and ethics finally merge: all consequences
must be weighed. |
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Units of measurement: |
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Hedons: pleasure |
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Dolors: pain |
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The underlying pattern of moral reasoning here
seems to be group egoism. |
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Not utilitarianism, which would be for the good
of everyone, including the enemy |
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Not individual egoism, which would be each
soldier for himself |
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The group in group egoism varies |
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Sometimes the squad |
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Sometimes American soldiers in general |
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Which group is one of the issues in deciding
whether to attack the radar station. |
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When do considerations of honor override
calculations of consequences? |
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PLAY 34:00 |
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Play: 48:35. Dialogue: Why do they keep shooting
him? Reply: We’d do the same. |
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Taking beach bunker: Both sides kill—the Germans
are not depicted as doing anything that American soldiers would not
do. The key moral question is the
situation. How ought one to behave
in a situation of such brutality?
Killing those who surrender?
Flame throwers. Shooting
soldiers in trenches—killing field. |
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Courage |
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Compassion |
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Duty |
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Obedience |
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Devotion--Sarge |
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Courage is the ability to persevere in the face
of your fears. It has several
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Strength of will--guts |
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Knowing what is worth taking risks for |
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Knowing how great the risks really are |
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Knowing how great your abilities really are. |
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The cowardly person: |
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May not know what is worth taking risks for; |
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May over-estimate how dangerous a situation is; |
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May underestimate his own abilities; or,
finally, |
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May just lack strength of will, guts. |
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Aristotle |
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…the virtuous person labors for his friends
and his native country, and will die for them if he must…he will choose a
single fine and great action over many small actions…the one who dies for
others chooses something great and fine for himself. (1169a) |
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The Marines |
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"There is yet another element…that defines
Marines, and that is selflessness: a spirit that places the self-interest
of the individual second to that of the institution. That selflessness is stronger nowhere in
American society than among Marines."
FMFM 1-0. |
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What place, if any, does compassion have on the
battlefield? |
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Toward non-combatants? |
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Trapped French family |
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Toward fellow soldiers? |
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Carpezo pinned down by sniper |
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Toward the enemy? |
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Captured soldier |
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Toward the families of soldiers? |
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Mrs. Ryan’s grief |
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How should soldiers respond to the suffering of
non-combatants? On what basis
should this decision be made? |
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The price of Caparzo’s compassion |
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What do you risk when a soldier is dying under
fire? Wade struggles to reach
Carpazo. |
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What is the proper way of showing compassion for
the grief of a mother who has lost three sons? |
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Etymology: to feel or suffer with… |
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Elements: cognitive, emotional, and action. |
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Leads to action. |
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Excess: the “bleeding heart.” |
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Deficiency: moral callousness. |
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The foundation of a moral awareness. Without compassion, we have no emotional
connectedness with the suffering of others and thus no foundation for a
common moral life. |
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Pity looks down on the other. |
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Consequently, no one wants to be the object of
pity. |
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Compassion sees the suffering of the other we
something that could have happened to us. |
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Consequently, we welcome the compassion of
others when we are suffering. |
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Emotion is often necessary: |
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To recognize the suffering of others |
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Emotional attunement |
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Part of the response to that suffering |
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Others often need to feel that you care |
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Captain Miller |
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“That’s why we can’t take children” 56:45 |
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“Every man I kill, the farther away from home I
feel.” 1:30:10 |
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Capt. Miller: “…our duty as solders—even if the
mission is FUBAR, especially if it is FUBAR.” |
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More than any other philosopher, Kant emphasized
the way in which the moral life was centered on duty. |
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Duty as following orders |
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The Adolph Eichmann model |
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Duty is external |
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Duty is imposed by others |
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Duty as freely
imposing obligation on one’s own self |
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The Kantian model |
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Duty is internal |
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We impose duty on ourselves |
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“I had known the Categorical Imperative, but it
was in a nutshell, in a summarized form. I suppose it could be summarized
as, ‘Be loyal to the laws, be a disciplined person, live an orderly life,
do not come into conflict with laws’—that more or less was the whole
essence of that law for the use of the little man.” |
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Adolph Eichmann |
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“Suppose then that the mind of this friend of
man were overclouded by sorrows of his own which extinguished all sympathy
with the fate of others, but that he still had power to help those in
distress, though no longer stirred by the need of others because
sufficiently occupied with his own; and suppose that, when no longer moved
by any inclination, he tears himself out of this deadly insensibility and
does the action without any inclination for the sake of duty alone; then
for the first time his action has its genuine moral worth. Still further:
if nature had implanted little sympathy in this or that man’s heart; if
(being in other respects an honest fellow) he were cold in temperament and
indifferent to the sufferings of others—perhaps because, being endowed with
the special gift of patience and robust endurance in his own sufferings, he
assumed the like in others or even demanded it; if such a man (who would in
truth not be the worst product of nature) were not exactly fashioned by her
to be a philanthropist, would he not still find in himself a source from
which he might draw a worth far higher than any that a good-natured
temperament can have? Assuredly he would. It is precisely in this that the
worth of character begins to show—a moral worth and beyond all comparison
the highest—namely, that he does good, not from inclination, but from duty.” |
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Play 1:05:45 |
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Church scene. Recalling crazy guys like Vecchio. “When one of your men is killed, you tell yourself it
happened to save the life of 3, 19, maybe a hundred others….We’ve lost 94
men,,,I’ve saved the lives of maybe 10 times that. That’s how simple it is…. Sometimes the
mission is the man…. This Ryan
better be worth it—he better go home and cure some disease or invent a
longer-lasting light bulb or something.” |
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Play: redemption. 1:52:50, Chapter 14. |
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“Perhaps, if we do this, we all earn the right
to go home.” |
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Play: 2:36:13 |
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“Angels on our shoulders.” “James, earn this. Earn it.” |
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Play 2:40:35 |
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Ryan: “Tell me I’ve led a good life…Tell me I’m
a good man.” Wife: you are. |
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"How do you find decency in the hell of
warfare? That was the paradox that first attracted me to the
project."--Spielberg |
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Captain Miller |
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Private Ryan |
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Sergeant Horvath |
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Private Reiben |
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Private Jackson |
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Medic Wade |
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Corporal Upham |
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Private Melish |
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Private Caparzo |
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Private James Francis Ryan |
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Actor: Matt Damon |
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Actor: Ed Burns |
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A rebel, threatens to walk out on the mission
after the attack on the radar station. |
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Actor: Giovanni Ribisi |
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Killed in attack on radar station |
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Actor: Tom Sizemore |
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The omnicompetent sergeant |
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Actor: Jeremy Davies |
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The coward |
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Private Jackson, Sniper |
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Actor: Barry Pepper |
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Actor: Adam Goldberg |
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The only Jewish member of the company |
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Actor: Vin Diesel |
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Killed by sniper in village when trying to save
girl in French family |
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